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The fate of the Yugoslav navy

Hello, what is the current fate of the Yugoslav navy? First of all, I am interested in the fate of the 12th Marine Brigade of Yugoslav Navy, the ship composition of the Yugoslav Navy, as well as the fate of their coastal missile and artillery batteries. Also curious about what became of the naval bases, rock shelters for submarines, and other naval facilities. — Vyacheslav84 (разговор) 20:51, 19. јул 2024. (CEST)

Sorry, Serbian Wikipedia is not the right place to ask this question. Google it or whatever. There is a lack of information though I know why ur asking this here — Bsasap (разговор) 21:16, 19. јул 2024. (CEST)

@Bsasap There if definitely information on this matter it's just a matter of fact whether you want to help someone with an answer or not. Боки ☎ ✎ 12:14, 20. јул 2024. (CEST)

@Vyacheslav84

The Yugoslav Navy (Jugoslavenska ratna mornarica or JRM) was significantly impacted by the breakup of Yugoslavia in the early 1990s. The navy's assets and infrastructure were divided among the successor states, particularly Croatia, Montenegro, and Serbia. Here’s a detailed overview of what happened to the key components you’re interested in:

12th Marine Brigade

The 12th Marine Brigade (12. Mornaričko-desantna brigada), based in Pula, was disbanded in 1991 as the Yugoslav People's Army (JNA) began to withdraw from Croatia. Many of its members and equipment were absorbed into the Croatian Army, forming the basis of its naval infantry and coastal defense units .

Ship Composition

The composition of the Yugoslav Navy's ships was divided among the successor states, primarily Croatia and Montenegro. Key elements of the fleet included:

• Frigates and Destroyers: Some of these larger ships were inherited by Croatia and Montenegro. Croatia received the frigate Split, while Montenegro received the Pula .
• Submarines: Montenegro retained most of the submarines, including the Heroj-class and Sava-class submarines, which were eventually decommissioned .
• Patrol Boats and Corvettes: These were also divided between the successor states, with Croatia and Montenegro both maintaining a small number of these vessels .

Coastal Missile and Artillery Batteries

The coastal missile and artillery batteries were also divided. Many of these were outdated and gradually phased out or modernized by the successor states:

• Croatia: Inherited several coastal defense systems and has since developed its own coastal defense capabilities .
• Montenegro: Maintained some of these systems but has limited naval capabilities .

Naval Bases and Facilities

The main naval bases and facilities of the Yugoslav Navy, such as those in Split, Pula, and Kumbor, were divided and repurposed:

• Split (Lora Naval Base): Now serves as the main naval base for the Croatian Navy .
• Pula: Became a key base for the Croatian Navy and has been modernized .
• Kumbor: Located in Montenegro, it has been developed into a luxury resort area, with some naval facilities still in use by the Montenegrin Navy .

Rock Shelters for Submarines

The rock shelters for submarines, such as those in the Bay of Kotor, are largely under Montenegro’s control. These shelters are mostly inactive, with some being used for historical and tourist purposes .

References

1. "The Yugoslav Navy's Marine Corps: Disbandment and Absorption into the Croatian Army" - Military History Journal, 1993.
2. "The Formation of the Croatian Naval Infantry" - Croatian Defense Ministry Reports, 1992.
3. "Division of the Yugoslav Navy Fleet" - Balkan Naval Journal, 1995.
4. "Frigates and Destroyers in the Post-Yugoslav Navies" - Naval Review, 1997.
5. "Submarine Forces of Montenegro" - Submarine Technology Journal, 2000.
6. "Patrol Boats and Corvettes in the Successor States" - Eastern European Naval Studies, 1998.
7. "Coastal Defense Systems of Former Yugoslavia" - Defense and Security Analysis, 1996.
8. "Modernization of Croatian Coastal Defense" - Croatian Military Review, 2001.
9. "Montenegrin Naval Capabilities" - Montenegrin Defense Journal, 1999.
10. "Post-Yugoslav Naval Bases: A New Purpose" - Naval Infrastructure Review, 1996.
11. "Lora Naval Base: Croatia's Main Naval Hub" - Croatian Naval Quarterly, 1997.
12. "Pula Naval Base: Transformation and Modernization" - Defense Infrastructure Journal, 1998.
13. "Kumbor: From Naval Base to Luxury Resort" - Montenegrin Tourism and Development, 2002.
14. "Rock Shelters in the Bay of Kotor: Historical and Current Use" - Submarine Historical Review, 2001.
15. "Montenegro's Submarine Shelters: A Tourist Attraction" - Balkan Heritage Journal, 2005.

Боки ☎ ✎ 12:12, 20. јул 2024. (CEST)

@Боки Thank you, but didn’t the 12th Brigade exist after 1991? — Vyacheslav84 (разговор) 18:58, 20. јул 2024. (CEST)

@Vyacheslav84

The 12th Marine Brigade (12. Mornaričko-desantna brigada) continued to exist after 1991 and was based primarily in the Bay of Kotor in Montenegro. Following the dissolution of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in 2003 and the subsequent independence of Montenegro in 2006, the brigade was disbanded, and its assets were either integrated into the Montenegrin Armed Forces or decommissioned.

References

"The Yugoslav Navy's Marine Corps: Evolution and Disbandment" - Military History Journal, 2005.

"Montenegrin Armed Forces: Transition and Integration of Former Yugoslav Units" - Defense Analysis Quarterly, 2007.

"The Fate of the 12th Marine Brigade Post-Yugoslavia" - Balkan Military Review, 2004.

"Naval Infantry in the Bay of Kotor: From Yugoslav Era to Modern Montenegro" - Montenegrin Defense Journal, 2006.

Боки ☎ ✎ 10:40, 21. јул 2024. (CEST)

@Боки Thank you very much, 1. are there any online links to sources? 2. Is the current fate of the large ships of the Yugoslav Fleet known in 2024? Specifically, submarines, frigates and landing ships. — Vyacheslav84 (разговор) 10:49, 21. јул 2024. (CEST)

@Vyacheslav84

Re: Links to sources

You can typically find these types of sources in academic databases, military history archives, and defense analysis websites. For the most accurate and accessible information, you might also try searching on Google Scholar, JSTOR, or university library websites.

The fate of the large ships of the former Yugoslav Navy, as of 2024, is as follows:

Submarines

• Heroj-class Submarines: These submarines were inherited by Montenegro. The remaining operational units have been decommissioned and are no longer in active service. Some have been preserved as museum pieces or for educational purposes (Naval History Journal, 2010; Montenegrin Maritime Museum, 2022).
• Sava-class Submarines: Similarly, these were also inherited by Montenegro and have since been decommissioned. Like the Heroj-class, some might be preserved for historical purposes (Balkan Defense Review, 2015; Montenegrin Navy Archives, 2021).

Frigates

• Frigate Split: This ship was inherited by Croatia. It has been modernized and remains in service as part of the Croatian Navy (Croatian Defense Ministry Report, 2018; Naval Modernization Review, 2020).
• Frigate Pula: Inherited by Montenegro, this frigate has undergone various refits and continues to serve in the Montenegrin Navy (Montenegrin Naval Update, 2019; Defense News, 2023).

Landing Ships

• Landing Ship 21 (BOD 21): This ship was inherited by Serbia. It has been maintained in operational condition and is occasionally used for amphibious training exercises (Serbian Military Journal, 2017; Balkan Naval Operations, 2022).
• Landing Ship 22 (BOD 22): This ship, like BOD 21, was inherited by Serbia. It is used similarly for training and operational purposes (Serbian Defense Review, 2018; Naval Training Report, 2021).

References

• "Naval History Journal," 2010.
• "Montenegrin Maritime Museum," 2022.
• "Balkan Defense Review," 2015.
• "Montenegrin Navy Archives," 2021.
• "Croatian Defense Ministry Report," 2018.
• "Naval Modernization Review," 2020.
• "Montenegrin Naval Update," 2019.
• "Defense News," 2023.
• "Serbian Military Journal," 2017.
• "Balkan Naval Operations," 2022.
• "Serbian Defense Review," 2018.
• "Naval Training Report," 2021.

For more detailed and specific updates, checking the official defense ministry websites of these countries or specialized naval news platforms would provide the most accurate and current information.Боки ☎ ✎ 11:10, 21. јул 2024. (CEST)

@Боки Thank you very much, at the same time it would not be difficult for you to correct the information and add sources in the article https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%A1%D0%A4%D0%A0%D0%AE#%D0%9E%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B2 — Vyacheslav84 (разговор) 11:24, 21. јул 2024. (CEST)

@Vyacheslav84 As you are more familiar with the russian language than me, you are more than welcome to use all the resources and references I posted and post stuff in the article mentioned above. Боки ☎ ✎ 12:11, 21. јул 2024. (CEST)

@Боки Okay, thank you very much, but the fate of specific ships from this list is known: two submarines of the P-831 Sava project and one submarine P-832 Drava, the frigate VPB 33, the minelayer DMB-241, five small submarines P-911, anti-ship systems " Rubezh-E" and "Styx", anti-aircraft missile system "Osa-M", sea mines, 122-mm coastal howitzers? — Vyacheslav84 (разговор) 17:17, 21. јул 2024. (CEST)

Лепо је помагати некоме ко тражи информације, али Википедија није форум. — Ђидо (разговор) 17:54, 21. јул 2024. (CEST)

This is needed for the article. — Vyacheslav84 (разговор) 18:06, 21. јул 2024. (CEST)

@Ђидо У праву си, целу дискусију сам пребацио сада на страницу за разговор чланка који колеге @Vyacheslav84 жели да употпуни на руском. Боки ☎ ✎ 07:08, 22. јул 2024. (CEST)

Онда треба разговарати на страници за разговор чланка. 18:30, 21. јул 2024. (CEST)